Scratches on wedges from honing?

Philadelph · 07-18-2008, 11:46 PM

It's been my experience that sometimes when honing I'll get tiny scratches coming out from the edge on different spots along the edge. It's just a pain if the finish is mirror. Now it has ONLY happened on wedge or heavy grind blades with a wide bevel that are smiling lol. I know that's pretty specific, but has anyone else experienced this or is there a way to solve it? It has even happened with a taped spine BTW. I do not think that there is an occlusion on the stones or anything. I think it has more to do with using a rolling X-pattern or something. Maybe I'm doing something wrong? Regardless, it is only aesthetic since the razors still shave great. I can't seem to pin point when in the stroke or honing process it happens though. Any ideas?

kelbro · 07-19-2008, 12:10 AM

I have seen it a few times and it tends to follow my diamond stones. Shows up on knives too. My guess was that it was a piece of slurry or something.

ProfessorChaos! · 07-19-2008, 12:23 AM

Perhaps it is some of the slurry that builds up while honing? I have noticed it rarely all rinses off.

Philadelph · 07-19-2008, 12:32 AM

Might be worth mentioning it usually happens mostly while setting a bevel too. Slurry is one thing I've thought about. If that were it is there any antidote or do people just leave scratches on their freshly honed razors?

gssixgun · 07-19-2008, 12:36 AM

Yes Yes and Yes ....Exactly Alex and inevitably it only happens on a near perfect mirror finish

I think yer dead on with the piece of errant slurry or the rocking motion, I have been trying to rinse the stones more often, and hope for the best. I was really hoping that it was a Norton problem and when I switch over next week to Shaptons that it will disappear

hoglahoo · 07-19-2008, 12:54 AM

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Originally Posted by gssixgun

Yes Yes and Yes ....Exactly Alex and inevitably it only happens on a near perfect mirror finish

I think yer dead on with the piece of errant slurry or the rocking motion, I have been trying to rinse the stones more often, and hope for the best. I was really hoping that it was a Norton problem and when I switch over next week to Shaptons that it will disappear

switch? I thought the shaptons were merely an addition... wow this is all so sudden

RIP Norton

Seraphim · 07-19-2008, 01:22 AM

My wedge also has these scratches as well.

kevint · 07-19-2008, 01:25 AM

If it is in the slurry it may not be the hone but your "nagura". wedges because the meat lay nearer the stone, setting bevels because a coarser stone is more aggressive on the nagura ??

maybe not

randydance062449 · 07-19-2008, 02:28 PM

I have noticed it also. One thing was taking the razors tip to close to the edge at the end of the stroke. The other is slurry and also pressure. The grind also factors in, thick grinds are more prone to this. Make sure to soften the edge of the hone.

Just my observations,

SteveS · 07-21-2008, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by randydance062449

I have noticed it also. One thing was taking the razors tip to close to the edge at the end of the stroke.

That is exactly what I figured causes it.

floppyshoes · 07-24-2008, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by SteveS

That is exactly what I figured causes it.

+1 on the edge theory

Seraphim · 07-24-2008, 04:52 PM

-1 on that theory.

I used diamond lapping film on my wedge. Completely uniform surface, and still the scratches....

Is it just that the bevels are wide enough on a wedge that you can see the scratches, as opposed to the very thin bevels of a regular razor?

kevint · 07-24-2008, 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Seraphim

-1 on that theory.

I used diamond lapping film on my wedge. Completely uniform surface, and still the scratches....

Is it just that the bevels are wide enough on a wedge that you can see the scratches, as opposed to the very thin bevels of a regular razor?

Hard to say from the picture- but to me they appear to be left overs from an early grit

Philadelph · 07-25-2008, 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Seraphim

-1 on that theory.

I used diamond lapping film on my wedge. Completely uniform surface, and still the scratches....

Is it just that the bevels are wide enough on a wedge that you can see the scratches, as opposed to the very thin bevels of a regular razor?

You see, I think those scratches that you have in your pic aren't what I am talking about. Mine aren't on the bevel but past the bevel on the blade. I agree with Kev as to what your scratches may be though. I agree with the slurry and edge ideas though for what I am talking about. For your razor Seraphim, the bevel no matter how wide should be uniform scratches, so that must either be errant grit from a coarser stone or scratches that were never honed away. In any case, if it shaves well, it doesn't really matter, does it? lol

Seraphim · 07-28-2008, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Philadelph

You see, I think those scratches that you have in your pic aren't what I am talking about. Mine aren't on the bevel but past the bevel on the blade. I agree with Kev as to what your scratches may be though. I agree with the slurry and edge ideas though for what I am talking about. For your razor Seraphim, the bevel no matter how wide should be uniform scratches, so that must either be errant grit from a coarser stone or scratches that were never honed away. In any case, if it shaves well, it doesn't really matter, does it? lol

OK then. I agree with you in regards to my razor.

As far as scratches beyond the bevel: I didn't realize that is what you were talking about in the first place

, so I will recuse myself from any further comments on that subject, because I know nothing about it.