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Old 07-31-2008, 12:14 AM   #1 (permalink)
 
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Every time I hone (monthly or so), I use four barber hones and finish with Cr02. I can get a PASSABLE shave with just a coarse barber hone, a PRETTY GOOD shave with 2 hones, a GOOD shave with 3, and a VERY GOOD shave with 4... But I cannot get THE PERFECT SHAVE, which is BBS in all directions, without all 4 hones + the Cr02.

Granted, by the time I get around to honing, I have convexed my bevel into oblivion with Cr02 touch-ups, but I cannot achieve HOLY SHAVING PERFECTION without using everything I have.

So I'm curious. How many hones do you use? (Let's count a single dual-grit hone as two hones).

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DMT-E (1200 grit)
Coticule (water only)
on some razors: a paddle strop with Chromium Oxide

I hardly ever touch up on the Chromium Oxide. Usually jump back to the DMT for 3 or 4 laps, and then coticule with water again. I get about 15 to 20 shaves out of a razor before honing again.

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For a while I tried skipping the Cr02 to see if I could live without it, and I found two things: (1) I really like that silky polished edge, (2) my barbed wire beard forces me to touch-up often enough that touching-up on a hone gives me an over-honed edge. (Doing 3-pass shaves is probably accelerating the wear on my edge as well). If I have to, I can go a week without a touch-up, but I really prefer touching up every 3rd shave.

Interesting. I can't wait to see what everybody else here is doing.
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It varies for me depending on what hone I'm playing with.
At present it happens to be a vintage coticule (on the smaller side) followed by a very fine barber hone (Itsapeech, I believe, although I don't have it in front of me-could be another one) followed by leather.
If the razor doesn't feel quite "there" I go back to the barber hone, except in extreme cases where I go back to the slurry stage on the coticule.
I've also been using one of Tony's synthetic strops quite a bit, lately, and am quite pleased with the results I've been getting. It's better than more than one of my leather strops, which surprised me at first. All that and waterproof.


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Its a hard question. Are we talking about touchups, restoration, bevel repair? In some cases I might use just the coticule and in other the Escher. Sometimes the Norton 4K. With some razors I've used every stone I have (about 9) not to mention pasted strops and bench strops. If you accumulate enough razors you'll find different razors like different hones and respond better with certain combinations.
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Usually one or two paths:

Norton 4/8 - BBW - Coticule - Chinese 12K or...

DMT E (1200) - DMT EE (8000) - Coticule - Chinese 12K

Occasionally follow up with 5 laps on a chrome-ox pasted strop but not always needed.
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Now Randy. It isn't polite to gloat.


Besides, any novice will notice that most of those hones are nothing but useless slate paving stones. Incidentally I'm trying to put in a back patio, so if you need to send me a few of those bricks, I'll clear you some storage space....





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I generally just use 3 stones, a norton 4/8, & a kitayama 12k. Followed by 0.5cr &0.25 diamond paste.
If I want an extra smooth edge I strop on newspaper.
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For touch ups just 1 hone, for full bevel setting etc, I use 4. I don't use pastes, never have.
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For most instances a Coticule and Nakayama are all I need.

Other hones will be used if more bevel setting is necessary, or if I just feel like using them. In which case the progression goes: Belgian Blue, coarse Coticule, fine Coticule, Muller Thuringian, vintage Thuringian, Chinese 12k, Escher, Nakayama Asagi, and finally Nakayama Ki-ita.

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My standard progression for an ebay special is:
  1. DMT 1200
  2. Norton 4000
  3. Norton 8000
  4. Coticule
  5. Chinese 12K
  6. Nakayama
I shave straight off the Nakayama (after stropping on plain leather). Sometimes, I'll use a Belgian blue in place of steps 2 and 3. If I'm just touching up a razor, I'll sometimes start at step 4; other times, I'll just do step 6.
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1.1) Norton 4k
1.2) Norton 8k
2) Coticule
3) 0.5 & 0.25 diamond pastes on their way
And a DMT 8C to flatten the hones.

I think I can manage pretty much everything with this "combo"; but - because of HAD - I am looking to buy another hone with a grit around 1000 to set a bevel quickly, a belgian blue and a Japanese finishing stone... but that's for the future.
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Norton 4K
" 8K
coticule
Shapton pro 15K
Shapton glass 30K
leather strop

Some razors require a very light touch on the 15/30K or they become overhoned.

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For normal maintenance:
  • DMT D8EE(8000)
  • My favorite barber hone "of the moment"
  • sometimes newspaper

For lapping hones, razor repairs (and sharpening knives):
  • DMT D8C(325)
  • DMT D6E(1200)
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When a razor starts slowing down I'll do a few passes on the 1k S GS, 3k S GS, 8k norton (4k side is almost gone now), 16k S GS, 1.0 diamond paste, and now my new HA Chrome leather bench. From that I hit the leather and go another month or so. It only takes a few passes on each stone so I'm not much worried about wear, but I also have 9 razors in my current rotation so it's generally a few months before I notice any edge degradation
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Ooops! Yup Shapton Glass Stone busy fingers tend to miss that sometimes
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