[ehurt]

or shear it like a llama?

[nun2sharp]

I doubt if he is going to sit still for the shave! They are fairly mean creatures, they may shear them, but somehow I doubt it.

[jnich67]

Yes, they kill the badger. There is some information on the subject here:

Bristle Types and Bloom

Jordan

[Kees]

Animals like badgers are usually leg trapped. Leg trapping is by some considered a very cruel and painful experience especially as trappers often only check the traps every other day. Most animals trying to escape either break the limb or dislocate hip or shoulder joint. Some animals free themselves by biting off the trapped limb leaving them seriously disabled.

If they are primarily caught for food or pest control by an otherwise starving people would for some be more acceptable than if they are primarily caught for their furs.

[icedog]

Apparently in China they have a different view as to what is an allowable level of concern for an animal that is being used for the purposes of humankind. Here is a video of the processing of animals called "racoon dogs". They treat badgers the same way. Let me warn you in advance, this video may make you angry. This video may make you cry. This video may make you sick:

A Shocking Look Inside Chinese Fur Farms

[jnich67]

In the link I posted above, the fellow from Vulfix does indicate that the badgers are caught for meat, fur and to control their pestitude.

Jordan

[nun2sharp]

Compassion is a trait of Christian culture, you shouldnt be surprised when other cultures display none.

[JimmyH-AD]

I have read that they eat badger in China. The harvesting of the fur is not the sole purpose. As far as cruelty, here in our kind Christian culture the way that cows, pigs, and chickens are treated to produce dinner is not very pretty either. Being a carnivore and a lover of badger brushes I don't concern myself with where the hair came from or the chicken in my sandwich or how either got there. YMMV.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by JimmyH-AD

I have read that they eat badger in China.

I'm happy to know that. At least they don't get cought just for the fur.
Also, I'm against animal hunting, if they're endangered species.

Originally Posted by JimmyH-AD

Being a carnivore and a lover of badger brushes I don't concern myself with where the hair came from or the chicken in my sandwich or how either got there. YMMV.

I love meat too and I love my Rooney badger brush, but I'm against animal cruelty. If an animal is going to die to supply food for the human kind, then that must be done the quickest and painless way possible.

[ehurt]

Originally Posted by icedog

Apparently in China they have a different view as to what is an allowable level of concern for an animal that is being used for the purposes of humankind. Here is a video of the processing of animals called "racoon dogs". They treat badgers the same way. Let me warn you in advance, this video may make you angry. This video may make you cry. This video may make you sick:

A Shocking Look Inside Chinese Fur Farms

I think I have seen part of this...don't really want to rewatch it. It is pretty horrible how they treat them. How hard is it to use a humane trap and shoot them or slit their throat? Or a trap that kills them quickly?

Originally Posted by Kees

Animals like badgers are usually leg trapped. Leg trapping is by some considered a very cruel and painful experience especially as trappers often only check the traps every other day. Most animals trying to escape either break the limb or dislocate hip or shoulder joint. Some animals free themselves by biting off the trapped limb leaving them seriously disabled.

If they are primarily caught for food or pest control by an otherwise starving people would for some be more acceptable than if they are primarily caught for their furs.

I have heard that deer will chew their legs off to escape from these. I don't know if that is true, but I feel that the reality can't be much better...

Originally Posted by nun2sharp

Compassion is a trait of Christian culture, you shouldnt be surprised when other cultures display none.

I don't know exactly what you mean by Christian culture, but if you think atheists etc. are not capable of compassion then you are wrong. You might just mean "European" for all I know though. Don't want to start a huge religious debate or anything.

Originally Posted by Leon

I'm happy to know that. At least they don't get cought just for the fur.
Also, I'm against animal hunting, if they're endangered species.



I love meat too and I love my Rooney badger brush, but I'm against animal cruelty. If an animal is going to die to supply food for the human kind, then that must be done the quickest and painless way possible.

I appreciate this. I haven't eaten meat (except accidentally) for like 10 years, but I can see how it's not a big deal to do it, if done right. This includes killing them, not torturing them. Also don't burn down forests. Don't hunt to extinction. Etc. I still don't think I'll ever go back to eating meat because I can eat plants and be fine. I should try to track down where they are grown so that I won't be letting people profit from the aforementioned slash and burn method of deforestation. Easiest way I think to do this is visit my farmer's market. I barely eat vegetables though, I guess I live off mostly bread or something.

[JimmyH-AD]

Originally Posted by Leon

I'm happy to know that. At least they don't get cought just for the fur.
Also, I'm against animal hunting, if they're endangered species.



I love meat too and I love my Rooney badger brush, but I'm against animal cruelty. If an animal is going to die to supply food for the human kind, then that must be done the quickest and painless way possible.

I agree, In an ideal world that might be the way it is but in this world even human life is not regarded with great respect. My point however ill expressed was that many show great concern with a badger being killed for the hair but eat animals without giving a thought to how they got on the plate in front of them. If I were more idealistic I might be a total vegan but I am not and I don't apologize for it. As CS Lewis pointed out in The Problem of Pain the creator made a world in which most creatures survive by preying on other living creatures.

[ehurt]

Originally Posted by JimmyH-AD

I agree, In an ideal world that might be the way it is but in this world even human life is not regarded with great respect. My point however ill expressed was that many show great concern with a badger being killed for the hair but eat animals without giving a thought to how they got on the plate in front of them. If I were more idealistic I might be a total vegan but I am not and I don't apologize for it. As CS Lewis pointed out in The Problem of Pain the creator made a world in which most creatures survive by preying on other living creatures.

I think most creatures lack the capacity to realize they are doing it though. Oh well going to bed now...good thing I didn't watch that video again or I'd have nightmares gahhh. If it is the same as the one here JLoDown.com >> J. Lo is Low Down: Animals are Skinned Alive for Their Fur (graphic)

[JimmyH-AD]

Originally Posted by ehurt

I think most creatures lack the capacity to realize they are doing it though. Oh well going to bed now...good thing I didn't watch that video again or I'd have nightmares gahhh. If it is the same as the one here JLoDown.com >> J. Lo is Low Down: Animals are Skinned Alive for Their Fur (graphic)

Yeah, only humans do it for the pure pleasure of it. I have never watched that video. It was offered up on another shaving forum months ago and I knew that it wouldn't be pretty. I don't want to do that to myself. Same as the "Faces of Death" movies. I have never watched one of them. I have seen a few people die up close and that was enough for me. BTW, welcome to SRP.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by ehurt

good thing I didn't watch that video again or I'd have nightmares gahhh. If it is the same as the one here JLoDown.com >> J. Lo is Low Down: Animals are Skinned Alive for Their Fur (graphic)

Call me a sissy, but I can't watch this kind of videos - it makes me sick.

[Utopian]

If it's any consolation, badgers themselves are not vegetarians. They are omnivores just like most of us. I grew up on a farm and one of my jobs (and sole source of income) was trapping pocket gophers. The amount of crop damage they cause is minimal but their mounds can damage farm equipment. Worse, the badgers would dig holes sometime two or three feet across and just as deep while trying to catch a pocket gopher for their own reasons. Dropping a piece of farm equipment into a badger hole could, and did, cause severe damage. While it's not a reason to kill them, badgers are extremely vicious critters. Any means of killing them cannot involve getting anywhere near them.

I used to get $0.50 bounty for a pair of gopher feet. Depending on the time of year, I could get $5 to $25 for a badger pelt. Also, badger pretty much tastes like raccoon.

[icedog]

Humans have assumed the role of stewards over the entire food chain. Whether it is admitted or not, we are responsible for the animals we raise for slaughter for food or for vanity (ie. minks). I eat meat and love it. The cows and pigs I eat may be mistreated but they are certainly not flayed alive. In the video the animal is still alive and conscious as it is being skinned. That is pointlessly torturing the creature. Not only does it cause the animal obvious agony, the man has to stop his work to wrestle with the struggling critter. There are many ways to quickly dispatch the animal that would not damage the pelt.

[Chris L]

Originally Posted by icedog

Humans have assumed the role of stewards over the entire food chain. Whether it is admitted or not, we are responsible for the animals we raise for slaughter for food or for vanity (ie. minks). I eat meat and love it. The cows and pigs I eat may be mistreated but they are certainly not flayed alive. In the video the animal is still alive and conscious as it is being skinned. That is pointlessly torturing the creature. Not only does it cause the animal obvious agony, the man has to stop his work to wrestle with the struggling critter. There are many ways to quickly dispatch the animal that would not damage the pelt.

I agree. Growing up in a rural setting, I've killed and gutted many fish, chickens, rabbits (in descending order) all for food and wouldn't dream of skinning/gutting any of them alive. I sever the spinal cord for fish, the chickens get the chopping block first and lose their heads, the rabbits were shot. To me, skinning alive adds some form of sick sadistic something that would make me want to back away very slowly from such a person.

Chris L

[Dicestone]

It's sort of ironic that we concern ourselves over a furry little creature who will be immortalized for five or ten years in a bunch of brushes, yet millions of babies are murdered through abortion and forever forgotten.

[JimmyH-AD]

Originally Posted by icedog

Humans have assumed the role of stewards over the entire food chain. Whether it is admitted or not, we are responsible for the animals we raise for slaughter for food or for vanity (ie. minks). I eat meat and love it. The cows and pigs I eat may be mistreated but they are certainly not flayed alive. In the video the animal is still alive and conscious as it is being skinned. That is pointlessly torturing the creature. Not only does it cause the animal obvious agony, the man has to stop his work to wrestle with the struggling critter. There are many ways to quickly dispatch the animal that would not damage the pelt.

As I said when it appeared on another forum I didn't watch it but I read the reaction of many who did. One train of thought was that it was staged and that the animal was brutally sacrificed so that the video could be used to promote the ends of animal rights advocates. It doesn't make sense for a person killing an animal in a commercial venture to harvest fur and or meat to do so in a way that takes more time and trouble. Time is money so I find it hard to believe that this video depicts the normal procedure for harvesting badgers. Could also be that the guy is a sicko who gets his jollys torturing animals.

[sidneykidney]

Originally Posted by nun2sharp

Compassion is a trait of Christian culture, you shouldnt be surprised when other cultures display none.

Whilst it is true that compassion is a trait of christian culture it is not the only one. I have met many people of different religions who display compassion. I have also met many christians who do not display compassion. I am more inclined to believe it to be a trait of good human nature. Your comment verges on religious intolerance.