[JMS]

In one of my other "Sarah Palin" threads a member who shall remain nameless, unless he names himself, was denigrating a mothers qualifications to be Vice President, in fact he continued to denigrate mothers in general, which I thought extremely rude! Its one thing to question the ability of a mother to be vice president, but to fault her for being a mother and then talk bad in general about mothers goes over the top as far as I am concerned!
I believe, in general, that mothers (and especially the stay at home mothers) are particularly suited for office! They may need to learn a thing or two, but the on the job training that a mother gets while being a mother is beyond what most can do! A mother learns how to do it all! she learns to say no when necessary! She knows which battles to fight and which to let pass till another day! she learns to be a diplomat, it is required that she be everywhere at once and everything to everybody! she is pulled and strained to the limits and then some! By the time we grow up, mothers will have received enough training to accomplish anything!


So, you ask am I worried about Sarah being a heart beat away from the Presidency? My answer is, not in the least!
What say you?

[nun2sharp]

As I stated before "They should ditch McCain and run Palin."

[WireBeard]

Hillary is a mom too......hmmmm.

There have been many moms that were heads of government/state. I don't think it makes one any more uniquely qualified to hold public office than being a father, a teacher, or a plumber. I guess it would also depend on if the person is a "good mom" and that is usually indicated by the behavior of the kids.

What is missing from politics, from both parties is integrity, ethics, and tolerance. They seem to forget that if they win, they are the leader of everyone in the nation, not just those who voted for them or gave them money. They are there to support and defend the Constitution, not treat it as a list of suggestions.

Instead, we have hypocrisy, double-standards, self-righteousness and demagoguery, avoidance of issues, and the continuation of politics based on fear, uncertainty, and doubt...not with the ultimate goal of bettering the nation, but with the goal of personal gain, vanity, and self-aggrandizement.

Where are the intelligent, factual discussion about the economy, energy, taxes, the war and the deaths of our soldiers, education?

For the past several elections, it has been like two punk kids in the school yard, each saying to the other "Nya-nya-nya-nya-boo-boo!", making faces and sticking out their tongues.

Where is Cincinnatus when you need him?

[JMS]

Originally Posted by WireBeard

Hillary is a mom too......hmmmm.

There have been many moms that were heads of government/state. I don't think it makes one any more uniquely qualified to hold public office than being a father, a teacher, or a plumber. I guess it would also depend on if the person is a "good mom" and that is usually indicated by the behavior of the kids.

What is missing from politics, from both parties is integrity, ethics, and tolerance. They seem to forget that if they win, they are the leader of everyone in the nation, not just those who voted for them or gave them money. They are there to support and defend the Constitution, not treat it as a list of suggestions.

Instead, we have hypocrisy, double-standards, self-righteousness and demagoguery, avoidance of issues, and the continuation of politics based on fear, uncertainty, and doubt...not with the ultimate goal of bettering the nation, but with the goal of personal gain, vanity, and self-aggrandizement.

Where are the intelligent, factual discussion about the economy, energy, taxes, the war and the deaths of our soldiers, education?

For the past several elections, it has been like two punk kids in the school yard, each saying to the other "Nya-nya-nya-nya-boo-boo!", making faces and sticking out their tongues.

Where is Cincinnatus when you need him?

Except the part I highlighted I can not find argument with your post!

You should ask your mother what she went through to raise your family!

[spanx]

It doesn't matter to anyone but bigots wether a woman of non white male can be a good p or vp. Maybe thats too all encompassing. The real issue should be as to whoever is elected they need to get us out of this money pit. Not only that but save some lives as well. Palin being a woman she might actually have the gumption to push that result forward.

[WireBeard]

I presume you are referring to "good moms". While moms go through a lot in raising a family, I would not give that fact as much weight as other skills or experience in the political arena.Moms are not the only people with the ability to multi-task, be diplomatic, stand their ground, and pick theri battles.

There are a lot of great moms out their who do great things...and there are a lot who I wouldn't trust to watch my dog, let alone run a country.

The qualifications are specific to each person, rather than any one group as a whole.

[JMS]

Originally Posted by WireBeard

I presume you are referring to "good moms".

This is why I said "In general" in the opening post!

[Mike7120]

In my opinion, I believe mothers play the most vital role in society. Mothers are the ones that occupy the critical role in producing responsible offspring by instilling critical values, morals, customs, norms, traditions, etc. into their children. Fathers play an important role as well, but speaking traditionally, they spend most of their time working and providing for their family, whereas mothers generally spend most of their time with the children. It really makes me mad how motherhood has become somewhat shunned upon in our society. There’s all this talk about how women that have kids at a young age are missing out in life or selling themselves short. I’m all for equal rights for women, but I think the noblest job of all, is to care for and raise children. IMHO, if it wasn’t for good mothers, society would be considerably more screwed up than it already is.

Regarding mothers holding public office, I think it’s great and I see absolutely no problem with it. If someone has the right qualities to hold office, whether it is a man or woman, mother or father, it should make no difference.

[Nord Jim]

Like many professions, motherhood is challenging and requires judgement, organizational ability, and other desirable traits. In that regard, I think it's indicative of progress in our national awareness that not only does motherhood no longer disqualify a woman outright for public office, we're actually debating its merits.

That said, motherhood, like many other professions (teacher, machinist, journalist, comedian, mountaineer), while it can indicate sterling qualities, is not by itself a qualification for high national office. I'd also like to see knowledge of the job, good ideas, high principle, and all the other qualities that we claim to want in our public servants.

In Palin's case, she herself raised her motherhood as a qualification. That means that she has made the quality of her mothering a legitimate campaign issue. Evidence that the upbringing of the Palin children was problematic is now fair game on the campaign trail -- by Palin's own actions.

[Spike J]

In your colonial pre-election frenzy, I would ask you to cast your minds back twenty years or so, if you can. Who was the longest serving British Prime Minister in the last century? A mother of twins who did more harm to Great British society than any number of the subsequent residents of Downing Street. Her kids do not seem that well balanced either.

Motherhood may be great training. It does not guarantee a good leader. To be honest, I do not envy your choice come November, my Cousins.

(Spike ducks & runs from the incoming barrage)

[JMS]

Originally Posted by Spike J

In your colonial pre-election frenzy, I would ask you to cast your minds back twenty years or so, if you can. Who was the longest serving British Prime Minister in the last century? A mother of twins who did more harm to Great British society than any number of the subsequent residents of Downing Street. Her kids do not seem that well balanced either.

Motherhood may be great training. It does not guarantee a good leader. To be honest, I do not envy your choice come November, my Cousins.

(Spike ducks & runs from the incoming barrage)

Gasp...Spike! I have been cut to the bone...cough...cough..You have spoke poorly of one of my heroes! How could you do this to me,,,cough cough...gasp


We can no longer be friends! I expect you to send back all the mead advice I gave you, and don't try to contact me or I'll,,,I'll...That's it, I'll cry!

[fpessanha]

Originally Posted by Spike J

In your colonial pre-election frenzy, I would ask you to cast your minds back twenty years or so, if you can. Who was the longest serving British Prime Minister in the last century? A mother of twins who did more harm to Great British society than any number of the subsequent residents of Downing Street. Her kids do not seem that well balanced either.

Motherhood may be great training. It does not guarantee a good leader. To be honest, I do not envy your choice come November, my Cousins.

(Spike ducks & runs from the incoming barrage)

I would most certainly vote for my Mom for Prime Minister of my country! Boy... she is a woman made of the toughest stainless steel! If you were to hone her you would give up... for she is already scary sharp and the utter personification of rigour, strength and effiecency! (Can you tell that I admire her or what?! )

[hoglahoo]

Some moms are suited, some are not
Oh my... I just pictured my own mother in the VP spot

[gugi]

Originally Posted by hoglahoo

Oh my... I just pictured my own mother in the VP spot

With lipstick? in a bikini? w/ a gun? I hope you can answer 'none of the above'

[hoglahoo]

she'd have you drawn and quartered, gugi

[LX_Emergency]

For some mother I agree. But not all mothers are good at what they do mind you. There ae plenty mothers that govern their kids in the way most countries are governed (and that's not a good thing).

Being a mother is not a qualification OR a denouncing trait. If it would be it'd be hard to be a mother and every moron with ovaries can be one.

Being a GOOD mother however is something completely different.

I'd let my mom run our country. Or my wife for that matter.

[Spike J]

Originally Posted by LX_Emergency

I'd let my mom run our country. Or my wife for that matter.

You'd let your mum rule your wife? You are either very brave or suicidal sir!

[jockeys]

to my way of thinking, having given birth to a child does not have anything to do with being a good leader. it's totally irrelevant.


some mothers are good leaders and some are not. some not-mothers are good leaders, and some are not. i just don't see any correlation at all.

[ScottS]

There's a ton of reasons beyond that for me not to like her, so it really doesn't enter into my opinion at all. I have a problem with a woman that age (about a 1 in 100 rate of Down syndrome) who is devoutly pro-life even considering conceiving a baby. That's my personal shtick, but it does more to my opinion of her than the motherhood/career thing. There are plenty of very driven women who do motherhood and a career just fine.

At the convention, they were passing that baby around so much that I joked with my wife they were playing a game where whoever was holding the baby during the fifth mention of the surge working had to take it home.

[LX_Emergency]

Originally Posted by Spike J

You'd let your mum rule your wife? You are either very brave or suicidal sir!

oops....didn't see that one coming. Well, you know what I mean