2nd Debate...or was it?

WireBeard · 10-08-2008, 03:43 AM

Was it just me or did tonight's entertainment sound like a replay of the 1st debate?

Both had trouble answering the questions without a lot of blah, blah, blah in front of it....

If I never hear someone say "My Friends..." again, that will be fine.

Obama seemed very adept at taking the long way around to the answer - if at all; McCain just kept reiterating things from the last debate that have since been proven wrong.

My ears are bleeding...excuse me while I go get some Kleenex.......

At least there was no winking.....

Hutch · 10-08-2008, 03:52 AM

All these debate formats suck and play to the attention span challenged electorate. What is your Health Care Policy you have 1 minute, What is your Financial Policy you have one minute. These things aren't about entertainment, they should be about getting details. That said seeing as this format was suppose to favor McCain I don't think he really made and progress, he was flat amazingly he seemed to suffer with Foreign Policy which is suppose to be his forte. Obama seemed stronger on foreign policy, he looked a little uncomfortable at the start, but seemed to warm up as it it went on.

McCain being down needed to win big and I don't think he did it tonight. He has another chance.

nun2sharp · 10-08-2008, 03:52 AM

Thank God for these two things:
I am an Independent and I was too busy to watch tweedledum and tweedle dee.

<<<< this is for you, love sarah

@hutch, if they had more time how much more blah blah do think we would have heard? If you wanted to hear something intelligent we shouldve stuck with Ron Paul!

Hutch · 10-08-2008, 03:59 AM

What you need is the people asking the questions to be allowed the follow up, that's how you hold their feet to the fire and get an answer. I agree just giving them more time to ramble really serves very little.

Is that my new moniker "love sarah@hutch"

I like it.

nun2sharp · 10-08-2008, 04:05 AM

Is that my new moniker "love sarah@hutch"

I like it.[/quote]

Sorry didnt mean to be insulting, was doing a quick edit, I hope you appreciate the new/improved edited version.

just the same

Lt.Arclight · 10-08-2008, 04:16 AM

Honestly, if you haven't made up your mind as of this date

Hutch · 10-08-2008, 04:35 AM

Believe it or not there are some people that will decide when they get the ballot in their hands. Republicans for the most part know who they'll vote for, Democrats know who they'll voter for, the undecided are just that.

gugi · 10-08-2008, 05:00 AM

Well, I guess, now both sides would claim they 'won' and then there'll be some more polls that'll demonstrate that some people must have interesting definitions of victory.
Tom Brokaw's strategy to reign it in failed flat on its face. He thought he'd assert himself as the alpha male in the debate, early on, but in my book he failed.
As far as the candidates go - nothing new, which is a good thing. If one of them or both would out of the blue reinvent themselves, they should be rushed into the emergency room.

Not surprisingly, McCain had yet another stint, just to round the bailout money to a trillion, I guess.

I continue to be surprised at McCain being considered better at foreign policy - his views and temperament are a disaster in my opinion. Yes he's old and he has not learned much, or perhaps he's only learned how to make a plausible sounding sound bite that panders to people's misconceptions.
And I'm surprised that Obama is considered better at the economy too - to me it seems that the advantage he gets there is people wanting to take a revenge on wall street.

I personally think the US government should require/provide health insurance at least for every single child in America. And on the topic competition is nice and all, but there is already plenty of it in the health insurance industry right now, and I don't see how more will solve any of the big problems. For example preexisting conditions are similar to subprime loans. If you take a strictly business approach to those people should be left to die as quickly as possible, unless they can pay for a policy that reflects these risks, which the current state is. The alternative is to be unfair and pool them with a larger group. This most certainly increases the cost for the people without preexisting conditions, but there's no free lunch - somebody's got to pay eventually. Or the government can require

Overall tonight McCain left worse impression with me than Obama did. McCain came out as an angry old man, that doesn't even has the wisdom that is supposed to come with age. Obama seemed just detached and somewhat nondescript, which I suppose is not that big of a deal.

Nord Jim · 10-09-2008, 12:15 AM

The bottom line on the second debate is this:

Mr. McCain needed a game-changer. He didn't get it.

Game and set to Mr. Obama. Mr. Obama leads two sets to none.

j

WireBeard · 10-10-2008, 10:00 PM

McCain's Chilling Dance With the Dark Side - PostPartisan - Quick takes from The Post's opinion writers

I'm not

WireBeard · 10-10-2008, 10:05 PM

McCain's Chilling Dance With the Dark Side - PostPartisan - Quick takes from The Post's opinion writers

I'm not sure which is worse....the people screaming hateful things or McCain/Palin not decrying it.

I didn't know about McCain being on Liddy's show.....talk about odd associations!

It's becoming apparent that McCain is ready to do anything to get into the Oval Office before he kicks off.

For our members outside the US, please do not judge all Americans by the extremists referenced in this article.

Hutch · 10-10-2008, 10:55 PM

Every country has them.

hoglahoo · 10-10-2008, 11:11 PM

Yep. God **** America, right?

Nord Jim · 10-11-2008, 12:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hoglahoo

Yep. God **** America, right?

Yep. That's the motto of the Alaska Independence Party, no?

Or are you mentioning that to justify the hate rallies that McPalin have been running?

j

nun2sharp · 10-11-2008, 12:37 AM

Its Official! The pot has called the kettle black!

Nord Jim · 10-11-2008, 01:36 AM

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Originally Posted by nun2sharp

Its Official! The pot has called the kettle black!

You'll have to explain that one.

j

nun2sharp · 10-11-2008, 01:49 AM

Between hoglahoos comment about the Rev. Wright being unamerican and your post calling Palins association with AIP unamerican, it seemed to me a case of the pot calling the kettle black. They both being guilty.

Nord Jim · 10-11-2008, 03:13 AM

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Originally Posted by nun2sharp

Between hoglahoos comment about the Rev. Wright being unamerican and your post calling Palins association with AIP unamerican, it seemed to me a case of the pot calling the kettle black. They both being guilty.

The two are hardly comparable. Jeremiah Wright has a personal history of exemplary charity and social work. Out of 20 years of preaching, the wingnuts were only able to come up with two quotes where he went over the top, and Obama didn't support the statements anyway. I get worked up about things, too, and say things that I later regret. Believe me, I said a few when Bush took us into Iraq on false premises, just like Rev. Wright did. Does that make me un-American?

Palin, on the other hand, consorts with people whose very reason for existence is to secede from the country. Did you ever read quotes from the AIP's founder or see that clip of Palin's welcome to their convention? I've linked it below.

Makes Ol' Reverend Wright seem merely cranky and tame by comparison.

j

YouTube - Sarah Palin and Alaskan Independence Party (AIP)

nun2sharp · 10-11-2008, 03:30 AM

Being raised in the upper penninsula of Michigan(they wish to secede from the lower) and in Missouri(torn in the civil war), the talk of secession doesnt bother me, and nowhere did Ms. Palin damn America or blame all of her problems on some other race. The apologetics for Rev. Wright are simply trying to cover the cats turd hoping that it wont stink. I will not vote for either Mc Cain or Obama , they are equally detestable, neither got to where they are without cuttin deals with the power brokers, they both have sold themselves. IMO, niether has the integrity for the office, or a vision for the future that will benifit you and I. They will do as the powerbrokers dictate, the boys in the backrooms rule and every four years they give us a monkeyshow that pits us against each other for their benefit. God help us all.

Nord Jim · 10-11-2008, 03:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nun2sharp

Being raised in the upper penninsula of Michigan(they wish to secede from the lower) and in Missouri(torn in the civil war), the talk of secession doesnt bother me, and nowhere did Ms. Palin damn America or blame all of her problems on some other race. The apologetics for Rev. Wright are simply trying to cover the cats turd hoping that it wont stink. I will not vote for either Mc Cain or Obama , they are equally detestable, neither got to where they are without cuttin deals with the power brokers, they both have sold themselves. IMO, niether has the integrity for the office, or a vision for the future that will benifit you and I. They will do as the powerbrokers dictate, the boys in the backrooms rule and every four years they give us a monkeyshow that pits us against each other for their benefit. God help us all.

Well, all I can say is check the quotes from Joe Vogler. Even Wright didn't go anywhere near that far.

Since it appears likely that Obama is going to win this thing, I'm hoping that in a few months, you'll be pleasantly surprised. He certainly couldn't do worse than the crew we've got now.

j