[hoglahoo]

My friend mslovacek who introduced me to straight razors several years ago (and introduced the word hoglahoo to the English language) also introduced to me the razor strap, which he called a strop. Most members here call it a strop, and many strap manufacturers emblazen the word strop on their products as well as in their names such as the Illinois Strop Company.

Below is the part where I muse to myself and enjoy recalling some of my earlier straight razor shaving days. For brevity's sake, please skip over it quickly

A few months into joining SRP I happened to start talking to some of my guy friends and family about old time shaving and found out that without fail anyone who I met who had actually used a straight razor back in the day called it a strap. And it made sense to me. It is in fact just a strap of material. Why strop? I theorized that maybe the English used the word strap but pronounced it in such a way that some Americans misunderstood the phonetic differences between American English and British English and assumed that since strap sounded like strop to them, they assumed it was spelled strop. whew!

On to my recent re-discovery! I don't know how much I can legally reproduce here, but I will take my chances with a short excerpt in jpeg format. I looked up the word strap in the Oxford English Dictionary printed in 1985 and found among its definitions this one below (#8). I don't know exactly how to read some of the OED abbreviations as I am a little lazy to look them up again (I keep forgetting) but it appears that "razor-strop: = Strop sb. 3." is referring to that specific definition of strop elsewhere in the OED (so, a strap is a strop. thank you.) Obs = obsolete and "exc. dial." I assume means "except dialectical" (which makes me again wonder if this was just a rural American thing that has since died out from its widespread usage with the reduced necessity of razor-straps as technology evolved.)

My favo(u)rite line is the 1859 reference from "Dict. Amer. (ed. 2) which states that

a razor-strop is, with us, generally called a razor-strap.

Apparently, it was just an American thing and not even used to the exclusion of razor-strop. Strop is foreign to me. Strap makes sense and people who are not familiar with straight razor lingo know what I mean when I say "I have to use a leather strap to keep my razor sharp." Trivial or not, it's interesting to some degree

Thanks for reading, I have enjoyed it

[Chris L]

I say strop, but strap sounds fine to me. What bugs me, and I don't know where it comes from (maybe I'm ignorant to this and the following is accepted):......STROPE

I've heard people pronounce strop as strope with a long O. Even a barber in his late twenties who's never shaved himself nor shaved anyone else with a traditional straight edge razor pronounced it Strope when I was talking with him recently.

What's the deal with STROPE??? Is it legit, or is it like: "EXPRESSO"?

Chris L

[kevint]

"The powder of black lead..."

I've grown accustomed to your insistence on saying strap so it doesn't bother me anymore

In fact I may start saying it myself.

[lawman2]

When refering to a device with which to polish the edge of one's straight razor, it's pronounced strop.

When refering to the device my father applied to the behind's of my brother's and I when we misbehaved, it's pronounced strap.

[joke1176]

Originally Posted by Chris L

I say strop, but strap sounds fine to me. What bugs me, and I don't know where it comes from (maybe I'm ignorant to this and the following is accepted):......STROPE

I've heard people pronounce strop as strope with a long O. Even a barber in his late twenties who's never shaved himself nor shaved anyone else with a traditional straight edge razor pronounced it Strope when I was talking with him recently.

What's the deal with STROPE??? Is it legit, or is it like: "EXPRESSO"?

Chris L

Can I ax you a question? Irregardless of there intent's, grammer shouldnt effect its' useage eg for razor's.

[Tony Miller]

Originally Posted by lawman2

When refering to a device with which to polish the edge of one's straight razor, it's pronounced strop.

When refering to the device my father applied to the behind's of my brother's and I when we misbehaved, it's pronounced strap.

That is exactly what I was going to say. Everyone I talk to about these relates one of two stories... they remeber their grandfather sharpening a razor on a RAZOR STROP or someone beating one's backside with a RAZOR STRAP. Many who call me on the phone though ask about a RAZOR STROPE, pronounced with a long "O".

I myself use RAZOR STROP when things go well in the shop and I am pleased with the hides, or a variety of words I cannot type here when my supplier send trash instead<g>

Tony

[Mike7120]

I will admit, when I first started shaing with a straight I pronounced Strop as Strope with a long "O". I think it was from watching too many youtube videos.

[RichZ]

Originally Posted by lawman2

When refering to a device with which to polish the edge of one's straight razor, it's pronounced strop.

When refering to the device my father applied to the behind's of my brother's and I when we misbehaved, it's pronounced strap.

This is exactly what I was thinking. After all it would sound kind of wierd for your father to say " I am going to strope your behind" That would have really scared me.. ..

[holli4pirating]

I voted other/who cares, but I wanted to clarify. What I really mean is "who cares?" When we see one or the other, we know what is being referred to. No reason to get up in arms about it, so long as everyone is respectful. As far as I'm concerned, it's a case of "you say potato, I say potato."

Similarly, some people might refer to the same part of a razor with different terms (i.e. tang vs shank). As long as the use of more than one term does not confuse people, I don't see what the big deal is.

[Dicestone]

When I was a kid my dad had an old strop that had the swivle cut off. He used it to teach me the correct ways of life. It might have been a strop but my ass knew it was a strap.

DS

[dave5225]

You can strap with any strop , but you can't strop with any strap .

[Seraphim]

Originally Posted by dave5225

You can strap with any strop , but you can't strop with any strap .

Bravo!

strop

[Bruce]

In my limited lexicon strop denotes the leather thing you rub a razor upon. A strap can mean too many other things for it to work well with my razors.

[netsurfr]

Originally Posted by dave5225

You can strap with any strop , but you can't strop with any strap .

Well said!!! Must be a strop then...

[thebigspendur]

It really doesn't matter but strop sounds special.

[Navaja]

strop (strp)
n. 1. A strap, especially a short rope whose ends are spliced together to make a ring.
2. A flexible strip of leather or canvas used for sharpening a razor.

tr.v. stropped, strop·ping, strops

[hoglahoo]

Dict. Amer. (ed. 2) 455 Strap, a razor-strop is, with us, generally called a razor-strap

Now my question is this: Who is "us"? 19th century Americans? Hmm? Hmm?

[Jimbo]

Well I say let's call it a chazwozzle and be done with the whole thing.

James.

[awk5]

I've always called it a strop. In reading stories and such, when used with the razor it is called strop and when used to discipline a child, strap.

Allen