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Old 04-12-2008, 12:28 PM   #1 (permalink)
 
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Some time ago I put a big old slice through my TM Latigo strop which was salvageable with a little elbow grease using natural pumice, but gave me the perfect excuse to go back to Tony with a request.

For some time I've been wanting to try out a brushed leather strop. Tony mentioned he had thought of something similar and, being the gent that he is, agreed to give it a go. (As if Tony didn't already have enough to do without what could be frivolous requests! )

The two photos illustrate both strops, the one on the right being the brushed version. Admittedly, when first out the box I thought Tony had forgotten the request and packaged up a Latigo for me, but once I had a chance to feel it I realised there was a subtle difference to look at, but quite a marked difference in feel!

Tony had kept me up to date with progress while he was putting this together, and he had indeed mentioned that there was a very fine tooth to the surface. Very fine. But clearly discernible when stropping as you get a slight velvet-like effect as the light changes the surface when you strop up and down.

The draw on this is incredible. It has considerably more draw than the unbrushed Latigo. The original Latigo version I have is well-used, well looked after (lightly oiled every other week), and has worn beautifully to provide more draw than when new. The brushed version felt like it had a lot more draw straight out of the box.

It may be that the tooth is so fine that, with continued and extended use, it may lose some of the brushed effect and begin to behave more like a traditional Latigo finish. (Any pointers on how to maintain the tooth on brushed leather from those here with experience would be most gratefully received!)

The sound of stropping also confirmed the increased draw. My traditional Latigo makes a 'schick schick' sound when stropping, the brushed version makes a more drawn-out 'shhh-shhh' sound.

And as far as the look is concerned, there is no sheen on the brushed version, which is particularly noticeable when viewed under spot lights.

I also took the opportunity to try out some of the upgrades to Tony's strops. The handles are a vast improvement on the old D-Rings in my opinion. Especially if you're stropping from a hook which is at head height (i.e. stropping up and away from the body, then down and towards).

The genuine linen is also, in my opinion, a vast improvement. Again, more draw. It is smoother and softer than the original linens -- less bumpy and thinner, which makes it more supple and flexible, and I wonder if this leads to greater draw? Certainly it should mean more surface area contact compared to the bumpier and rougher original.

I'm very happy with this strop. Although I was expecting something more brushed (akin to suede), the performance of this strop and its draw is almost perfectly in tune with what I had been wishing for. Longterm use may change the experience, but I will be researching how I can maintain the draw and effect on this brushed version. If the effect proves to be long-lasting and easily maintained, then I'd certainly recommend this to be part of Tony's product range!
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Thanks. I didn't know you were going to review this as it is an experiment but it may bring forward intersting questions. Mine concern is longevity of the surface. I am not a fan of frequent dressing, even as you have done on my regular latigo as I feel that draw slowly increases on latigo over time but oils seem to smooth things back down again. On the brushed surface I fear oil use will burnish it back to a smooth surface again. I'm making up a test strop now to use daily and see how this surface lasts.

I am playing with ideas for a slight texture as you have or even more but this is not ready to be a regular production item mainly due to time constraints.

I find many still like Dees though as they prefer a very positive grip as provided by looping their fingers through the rings rather than holding a handle.

The linen too seems to be the new favorite, smoother texture and higher draw. I am used to the cotton myself so have not used the linen extensively.

Keep us posted on how the brushed surface holds up as that is my real concern, but I'm happy with the regular surface myself.

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Sorry Tony, I wasn't intending to review this as a viable product, but wanted to share the new experience with all at SRP.

Yes, the main question in my head is how long the surafce will last, and what, if anything, could be done to maintain the effect. Of course, I'll report back every so often with updates.

I suspect the dee rings vs handles thing is very subjective -- depends on ones grip, heft and angle. I have read that some experience a slight cupping effect with the handles, but I was relieved not to encounter that myself. In fact, I found I was able to keep the strop surface more flat compared to dee rings -- because the hook I use is fixed high on the back of the bathroom door, I found the angle and weight I put on the dee rings often made the strop twist slightly. The handles seemed to counter this well.

I am definitely a fan of the new linen compared to cotton. Perhaps it's just a case of grass being greener right now, but again I look forward to seeing how the two compare over time.

And I forgot to say thanks in the original review. One really does get a sense of the crafted product with your strops. It makes getting stung by the UK customs and postal service a lot easier to take when what one receives is of such great quality.

[Point to note for UK customers: a TM strop will attract the usual level of VAT, but also the addition of the 'clearing services' of the Royal Mail which comes to almost exactly the same as VAT again. My opinion: suck it up, it's worth it!]
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Mark,
No problem. It's actually a great idea to reveiw and test a product under development as I get even better feedback to go on. Even on a finished product though I would always reconsider a design based on a reviewers concerns, well founded or not. I make my produts based on my taste and experience but somethime fine the masses have different ideas so a poduct will evolve into what is needed by those buying it, not just what I feel it needs to be. We have different styles and different requirements.

I will work on a rougher version for testing as well.

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Can it not just be sent as a 'gift' and therefore omit any extra charges?
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The gift allowance is higher than the merchandise allowance but there is still a limit £36 compared to the normal £18

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Can it not just be sent as a 'gift' and therefore omit any extra charges?
Okay, you brought it up

Sending it as anything it is not, (gift, $200 item "valued" at $25, etc....) is illegal in this country and violates US postal codes. As this is a real business I follow the rules. Would you want a dealer who lies anyway?

International sales are more trouble than USA sales and cost me extra in exchange fees (2.5%) as well. To save buyers higher shipping costs I send via a less expensive, non-insurable method and cover losses out of my own pocket, nearly $400 already this year on two lost parcels which means my profit for international sales so far is not very good. I'm sure not getting a fine over false claims!

I do mention extra fees may apply on all international sales on my front page and it is up to the buyer to decide if this works for them. At this point, after 3 years I would have to say international sales do not work for me but I do them anyway.

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I appreciate your international sales

With regard to handles and D rings I'm in the third camp.

I hold the bottom of the strop between my fingers and prefer just a straight clean end. Happily this is an easy adjustment to make with a starter strop. I suppose the modification is just as viable on the good strops but it seems wasteful.
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Oddly the third camp seesm to be the minority.....just simple straight cut ends. Just before vacation I got together parts for a bunch of Latigo Originals and some in horsehide too. No cut handles, no Dees, just a straight hanging strop you pinch between your fingers. Once used to holding them it works just fine.

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You are on vacation and it is sunday.
I will contact you directly when you are back.

To date the only strop I've found in this style other than vintage is the 361. Based on my reading mostly from your discussions back in 2005 they may require some preparation to be at their best.

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You are on vacation and it is sunday.
I will contact you directly when you are back.

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And I AM enjoying myelf! Just killing time today playing with some of my vintage typewriters and going to have dinner out with my wife. Later in the week we go away to Lancaster to relax and spend time with some friends, take some nice drives, etc......

I'll be stopping in to chat from time to time but you are correct, no business on Sundays or vacations.

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