Pins?

McShaverson · 07-22-2008, 10:36 PM

Well, I'm almost done with my razor except for the fact that it needs some pins. I've seen in several post's that I can get them off the internet and in the sticky at the top of the page, but I was wondering if I could drive to my local hobby shop and pick some up there. What do you guys think?

Thanks again,
Kevin

Mike_ratliff · 07-22-2008, 11:48 PM

Any solid brass pin will work if you can find them.
My first pins were brass nails I found at a hardware store, and had to sand and polish down just a bit.
It wasn't as pretty as I'd have liked, but it worked, and with practise I got better at it.

vgod · 07-22-2008, 11:58 PM

i bought my 1/16 brass rod from Hobby Lobby. the washers on the other hand.....

vgod

gssixgun · 07-23-2008, 01:38 AM

1/16 brass rod is the easy stuff to find, just about any hardware or hobby store will have it, just make sure it's solid brass....The #0 and #0 wide brass washers are a little harder to come across, some hobby stores carry them, but for sure www.Microfasteners.com has them and most of the other stuff you might decide that you have to have

McShaverson · 07-23-2008, 07:50 PM

Hmmm.... so a pin is a brass rod and a washer? Sorry for all of the question. I'm very new to razor restorations and even razors themselves.

I think that I will run to my local hobby shop and see if they have some #0 washers before I order 100 of them online

Kevin

The Blacksmith · 07-24-2008, 01:42 AM

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Originally Posted by McShaverson

Well, I'm almost done with my razor except for the fact that it needs some pins. I've seen in several post's that I can get them off the internet and in the sticky at the top of the page, but I was wondering if I could drive to my local hobby shop and pick some up there. What do you guys think?

Thanks again,
Kevin

Hi Kevin,
You'll pick up a ton of useful information here on SRP but, FWIW, let me urge you to invest $26 and purchase Bill Ellis' restoration CD. He goes into great detail in explanation of how to do pins, scales, etc. I think Lynn Abrams has one that I've heard is excellent as well. The information I've learned from the forums has been great and many of the 'experts' here will answer PM's and emails and really go out of their way to help. But sometimes, being able to see images and videos does what no amount of explanation can.

The_Pastor · 07-24-2008, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by gssixgun

1/16 brass rod is the easy stuff to find, just about any hardware or hobby store will have it, just make sure it's solid brass....The #0 and #0 wide brass washers are a little harder to come across, some hobby stores carry them, but for sure www.Microfasteners.com has them and most of the other stuff you might decide that you have to have

I have now looked all over that site and I cant find the pins... Can you make a specifik link, please?

The Blacksmith · 07-24-2008, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by The_Pastor

I have now looked all over that site and I cant find the pins... Can you make a specifik link, please?

Try this:
http://www.microfasteners.com/catalo...cts/WASFWB.cfm

FWB0 & FWBW0

The_Pastor · 07-24-2008, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by The Blacksmith

Try this:
http://www.microfasteners.com/catalo...cts/WASFWB.cfm

FWB0 & FWBW0

But it looks like only a ring? Isnt there a pin to go with it?

gssixgun · 07-24-2008, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by The_Pastor

But it looks like only a ring? Isnt there a pin to go with it?

The "pin" is made from the 1/16 Brass or Ni Ag rod that you get, the only pre-made pins are the Dovo ones, and some that are occasionally sold on e-bay by a seller named Rosy or some such...
For the prices of 4-5 sets of pre-made pins, you can usually make about 20-30 of yer own...
All you are actually doing is making your own small rivets....

Check out this thread it is the best I found with a quick search
How do you pin scales?

Another thread you might wanna look at

Brass & Nickel Silver Rods for pins

The Blacksmith · 07-24-2008, 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by The_Pastor

... I cant find the pins... Can you make a specifik link, please?

I am sorry... I, evidently, did not read your post correctly. I've bought brass pins from: Brass Rod 1/16'' (15) (k+s1626) K & S Building Supply Metal Wire and Rod

They've also got the 3/32" brass tubing for making bushings for the razor if there is too much slop in the pivot pin hole. In other words, many times the hole in the razors tang is much larger than the 1/16" pivot pin. The tubing can be used to fill the hole (acting as a bushing):
Brass Tube 3/32'' (15) (k+s1268) K & S Building Supply Metal Tubing

tjiscooler · 07-26-2008, 02:25 AM

Just ordered what you linked to! Im to lazy to go to the hardware store...

The Blacksmith · 07-26-2008, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by tjiscooler

Just ordered what you linked to! Im to lazy to go to the hardware store...

Hey! I can relate

Moved to CA from TN and still haven't learned where all of the "pieces parts" places are yet. It's just easier to order online... save the diesel... yeah the big truck that pulls our home... and then wait for the packages to start arriving!

McShaverson · 07-26-2008, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by gssixgun

The "pin" is made from the 1/16 Brass or Ni Ag rod that you get, the only pre-made pins are the Dovo ones, and some that are occasionally sold on e-bay by a seller named Rosy or some such...
For the prices of 4-5 sets of pre-made pins, you can usually make about 20-30 of yer own...
All you are actually doing is making your own small rivets....

Check out this thread it is the best I found with a quick search
How do you pin scales?

Another thread you might wanna look at

Brass & Nickel Silver Rods for pins

Thank you for the information Glen

It helped out an incredible amount and now all I have to do is actually get the washers and tube and I will be ready to pin

Thanks,
Kevin

sidneykidney · 07-26-2008, 08:24 PM

why does it have to be brass? Can it be steel? Galvanised or otherwise? Can it be some other type of metal?

I stay in the UK on a small island. Our ironmonger wont have anything like that. Is it the internet for me? Cos it looks like postage would be more than the item.....

And where do I get the rod?

gssixgun · 07-26-2008, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by sidneykidney

why does it have to be brass? Can it be steel? Galvanised or otherwise? Can it be some other type of metal?

I stay in the UK on a small island. Our ironmonger wont have anything like that. Is it the internet for me? Cos it looks like postage would be more than the item.....

And where do I get the rod?

Actually the Nickel Silver peens better than brass,but finding matching NiAg wedge blanks has proved pretty tuff..... The problem with using steel is twofold, the hardness is part of it, and the rust.... Steel will rust sooner or later it will rust....
Try welding supply shops also, they usually have brass rod in tiny sizes ie:1/16..... I eventually gave up on finding what I needed around that small town I live in, and started ordering off the net, I figured shipping pretty much = gas wasted....

sidneykidney · 07-26-2008, 08:50 PM

We have a builders merchant which I havent checked. Might they have something for welding? ie the brass rod

English · 07-30-2008, 02:33 PM

In the UK do an internet search for Engineering /modeling supplies. (Model engineering supplies)

The rod is either 1.6mm or 1/16". You drill the hole with a 2mm drill.
You can buy brass washers at the same time. BA 10 will do it, maybe BA12.

The BA nuts and bolts work great but they are sharp and bulky and not as refined or comfortable as the rod and washer.

Happy shopping.

sidneykidney · 07-30-2008, 05:41 PM

Thats a big help English thank you. However I cant find a website to sell the matching washers to the rod which I have already bought! (1/16 brass rod)

I guess things are just generally bigger in the UK.

Hang on, isnt it meant to be the other way round?

I'll keep looking.

Edit: Hows this? This is the best I can come up with....

icedog · 07-30-2008, 11:28 PM

If you want to rivet the handle together, any1/16"(1.75mm) rust proof metal will work. Solid brass escutcheon pins are great because they are already headed on one end. It is easy to find fine silver wire which is very nice to work with and not terribly expensive. Just be sure to get some 0 size washers. The washers are important because they stop the expansion of the river shaft thereby preventing the splitting of your scale material. If you want to use machine screws, in addition to the online sources, you should be able to find suitable miniiature hardware at a hobby shop that specializes in radio control trucks and/ or scale model railroad.