Making Your Own Shaving Soap

drmoss_ca

Is there a Doctor in the house ?
You have to be pretty far down the rabbit hole to do this, but most of us here understand having an obsession justifies doing whatever it takes. I've been making my own soap for seven years, and it isn't hard. There was a lot of experimentation at first, as I knew I wanted a tallow-style soap (but had no simple access to tallow), and I wanted to recreate the P.160 Tipo Morbido Italian soft shaving soap that was being discontinued about that time. I haven't managed the almond scent, but I have got a soap that has meant my last couple of kilos of P.160 have lain unmolested all these years.

Let's do some basics first. Soap is made by a chemical reaction between a fat and an alkali ('lye'). And, yes, it probably began with a joint of meat dripping fat into the alkaline wood ash of an ancient fire! The fats contain fatty acids of various kinds, which result in different qualities to the soap you make. The fatty acids we are discussing are long(ish) carbon chains ending in a carboxylic acid group (-COOH). They exist in the general form of triglycerides, just like the doctor measures in your blood. This means there are three of them attached to a single anchoring molecule at one end, glycerol/glycerin/glycerine (all the same thing!). I'll attempt some ASCII art:

||/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\-COOH
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||/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\-COOH
||
||/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\-COOH

The different fatty acids have different chain lengths - the zig-zag bits going off to the right. In the presence of KOH or NaOH, the three chains break off and each join onto a K+ or a Na+, forming a salt, which is a metal ion linked to the acid chain with the last hydrogen knocked off. This leaves us with:

/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\-COOK

and

/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\-COONa

and, as well as three of the above, the

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and that part is the glycerine. All soap contains glycerine when it is made. What we call 'glycerine soap' is exactly that, and it has a low melting point and is thus referred to as 'melt and pour' soap because you can do just that. But real soap manufacturers are crafty, they remove the glycerine from their soaps and sell it for some other purpose, and then mill and dry the remaining soap to make a hard and long lasting soap. Fools like me who think they can make a good shaving soap at home just leave the glycerine in situ, which really means I haven't the faintest idea how to remove it and what would I do with it if I did? Actually, I know exactly what I'd do with it - use it instead of oil on hard Arkansas stones!

So how do we do this? The lowest form of soap making is the melt and pour method mentioned above. You buy someone else's glycerine soap, melt it, colour it, scent it and pour it into molds and pretend you made soap. We won't go there. We are going to do some chemistry! We will mix alkali and fat and react them together. This can be done at room temperature, in which case it will take a month for the reaction to complete (cold process soap) and if you don't wait you will get alkali burns on your face. Or we can raise the temperature, speed the reaction, and get it all done in a few hours. The soap can be used as soon as it's set. First question then, is how much of what ingredients? There are two alkalis in use, sodium hydroxide (NaOH) which tends to make hard soaps, and potassium hydroxide (KOH) which makes them softer. But it's not just hardness at play, it's bubbliness or latherability, creaminess for cushion, and so on. You may have tried lathering ordinary hand soap with a brush and discovered that most won't work. There's a complicated set of trade-offs between one attribute and another. Then you have to know how much alkali for how much fat. We know those ratios, and they are different for each alkali with each fat. The idea is to use up all the alkali in the reaction, because you don't enjoy alkali burns. You can even put in a bit extra fat, leaving a percentage unsaponified, which we call 'superfat'. There's a very useful online calculator that will do all the hard work for you here. You enter the kind of alkali, the amount of soap you want to make, the percent superfat and pick the fats to use. It tells you how much lye, how much water, how much fat, and gives some hints about the qualities of the soap you are designing. If you want a mix of NaOH and KOH all in one batch, you use the calculator twice and add up all the ingredients. My recipe looks like this - it is half and half sodium and potassium hydroxide, and uses a mixture of lard and stearic acid to simulate tallow, along with some coconut oil, castor oil and lanolin for their special qualities (the lanolin, for example, will not saponify so it becomes my superfat):

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Yes, they have modernised the soap calculator a bit since I saved those! So I take all of the ingredients in those two recipes, add them together and I have the amounts I need. For the hot process, you need either a slow cooker, or a double boiler. I make one by placing a saucepan inside my big jam-making pan. The water between means I don't overheat anything as it can't go over 100ºC. The fats are weighed out and placed in the inside pan to melt. The lye is weighed out, and the water is measured. Outdoors, wearing rubber gloves and eye protection, I add the alkali to the water (NOT THE OTHER WAY ROUND! And if you don't know why, it would be better for you to buy soap and not make it.) It will get very hot as it dissolves. Then the alkali solution is added to the melted fats, and a stick blender used to mix them so they react, which happens quite quickly for this recipe. At this point it will look like this:

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Now you keep the water simmering in the double boiler, refilling as needed, with a lid on the inner pan to keep the heat in. Periodically use a strip of indicator paper to check the pH of the soap. It will start out strongly alkaline, around pH 12, and you keep cooking until it gets to pH7 -8. This takes 3-4 hours. When you get there, turn off the heat and start measuring the temperature as it cools. We are going to try to scent it. I say try as I'm not very good at this part! Scent oils are cheap and generally strong and a bit nasty. Essential oils are very expensive but less nasty. I'm cheap. All of them are thin and volatile, which is why, and how, they smell - they vaporise. If you add scent oil when the soap is hot, it will flash off as they say, and most bottles will have a flash temperature marked on them. You need the soap to cool below that temperature before you add the oil, or it will just evaporate. BUT, as the soap cools it begins to get hard, and it gets difficult to mix in the oil properly. Let me know if you discover the secret; as I said, I'm not very good at this part. Anyway, I use a gardenia scent as my wife loves it and also because I don't know of any commercial shaving soap scented that way. Gotta be different. When the scent is added and mixed, you pack the rapidly solidifying soap into a mold. This one is wooden and lined with parchment paper:

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I leave it overnight to set up properly. The soap I make is not hard like a milled soap, but comes out soft and malleable so it can be pressed into a mug or scuttle. In the morning, you get to cut it into slices:

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I stick them in a ziplock bag in a cool place for storage (although lately of each batch I make I get to keep only two bars, and the rest I send to Tim Zowada who likes it and gives it to his friends).

When you calculate the cost of ingredients, each of the slices in the picture costs about $2CDN, so about half the price of a bar of bath soap from a supermarket, and a small fraction of the price of a "proper" shaving soap from Trumper or Truefitt & Hill. I like the product, it makes a thick and creamy kind of lather that suits me well, and more than satisfies my desire to mimic P.160. The shelves of some of my brushes, many of the colognes, and some of the shaving soaps (later numbering over 100 brands) became known as The Shelves of Shame when I discovered I no longer used any of those soaps (never mind the creams stored elsewhere) as they didn't work as well as a decent home made soap!



I also experimented with making other kinds of soap, like this block of olive oil bath soap:



It's not hard to do, and the results are well worth the small amount of effort. I buy my supplies from canwax.com, and I'm sure there are many other suppliers capable of selling you the basic ingredients. Some people turn up their noses when I mention lard as an ingredient. Lard is rendered pig fat. Tallow is rendered beef fat. Tallow is rightly prized as an ingredient in a good shaving soap. Whichever you can find and use, it is all renewable, and if you're eating the bacon or the steak anyway, why not find a use for the rest of the carcass? The pandering of the soap industry to the vegetarians and vegans has simply resulted in Indonesian rain forests being clear cut to make way for palm oil plantations with the result that the orang utan is being driven to extinction and you can't buy a decent functional shaving soap anymore. Make your own; better shaves and the orang utans will thank you!
 

drmoss_ca

Is there a Doctor in the house ?
Cella is the closest, I think, and still available in 1kg blocks on Amazon for ~$35USD. Vitos in the green or red (extra super) box is around and pretty much the same, also in 500g or 1kg blocks. Finally, the Valobra base can be found sometimes in small blocks, and at a higher price. This is very nice (and what was sold at one time to AoS for their soaps before they went way down market), but not really better than the big Italian soft soap brands. They are all very similar, with the old P.160 just edging ahead of Cella and Vitos. There wasn't a lot in it.

I've a couple of kilos of each, and I still think it's worthwhile to make my own - both for fun and for performance.
 

jaro1069

Administrator
Staff member
Cella is the closest, I think, and still available in 1kg blocks on Amazon for ~$35USD. Vitos in the green or red (extra super) box is around and pretty much the same, also in 500g or 1kg blocks. Finally, the Valobra base can be found sometimes in small blocks, and at a higher price. This is very nice (and what was sold at one time to AoS for their soaps before they went way down market), but not really better than the big Italian soft soap brands. They are all very similar, with the old P.160 just edging ahead of Cella and Vitos. There wasn't a lot in it.

I've a couple of kilos of each, and I still think it's worthwhile to make my own - both for fun and for performance.
What about 3P Sapone Da Barba ?
 

jaro1069

Administrator
Staff member
Its supposed to be similar to cella and other Italian soaps. Someone sent me a tiny sample of it a while back when we were talking about cella and other Italian soaps. It seemed okay.
The 3p was from a brick like cella
 
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Leatherstockings

Well-known member
I have the Cella crema in the red tub; never ever use it anymore. It smells of tallow as much as it does of sweet almond. The cream also seemed slow to lather. In the past I’ve read some prefer the soap in the brick to the cream in the tub.
 

jaro1069

Administrator
Staff member
I have the Cella crema in the red tub; never ever use it anymore. It smells of tallow as much as it does of sweet almond. The cream also seemed slow to lather. In the past I’ve read some prefer the soap in the brick to the cream in the tub.
I've never tried the cream only the brick.
 

jackhammer

New member
I have made about 10-12 batches of hot process soap with varying degrees of success and decided to make some shaving soap. Here are a few things I have learned:
  • Cupcake/muffin trays are great for circular soap bars. I tried to put them in recycled cans/jars and they ended up with a hole in the middle as the soap cooled. mini-muffin trays work great too.
  • coconut oil is great for soap and will help to create a hard bar. The only issue is that it can dry out your skin. Great for hand washing or even in the shower but it is too intense for a full bar of shave soap. It does help to create a good lather though.
  • Bentonite clay seems to work well but for my batch, I used a little too much. 1 tbsp is plenty for a whole crockpot.
  • The tallow in shave soap brings it to trace very, very quickly. I really didn't cook mine very long, (maybe 20 min?) just added some scent and put it into muffin tins. If it still needs to set, it can do that in the trays like cold process soap.
  • my recipe was : 10% castor, 30% coconut, 10% shea butter, 50% tallow. There is a good post on the spruce that talks about the different characteristics of soap.
  • It seems to take a lot of essential oils. I used almost a whole little bottle of sandalwood and it still is not super strong.
  • I like to use saturated fats because your skin does absorb some of the oils and I think those are better for you.
I will be interested in your recipe(s) and may give them a shot. Thanks for posting!
 

drmoss_ca

Is there a Doctor in the house ?
It's fun isn't it? Yes, stearates get to trace pretty much instantly. Each time I make olive oil soap I wonder what I've done wrong for a few minutes until I remember it takes forever to get to trace.
 

Freerunnerbodean

New member
You have to be pretty far down the rabbit hole to do this, but most of us here understand having an obsession justifies doing whatever it takes. I've been making my own soap for seven years, and it isn't hard. There was a lot of experimentation at first, as I knew I wanted a tallow-style soap (but had no simple access to tallow), and I wanted to recreate the P.160 Tipo Morbido Italian soft shaving soap that was being discontinued about that time. I haven't managed the almond scent, but I have got a soap that has meant my last couple of kilos of P.160 have lain unmolested all these years.

Let's do some basics first. Soap is made by a chemical reaction between a fat and an alkali ('lye'). And, yes, it probably began with a joint of meat dripping fat into the alkaline wood ash of an ancient fire! The fats contain fatty acids of various kinds, which result in different qualities to the soap you make. The fatty acids we are discussing are long(ish) carbon chains ending in a carboxylic acid group (-COOH). They exist in the general form of triglycerides, just like the doctor measures in your blood. This means there are three of them attached to a single anchoring molecule at one end, glycerol/glycerin/glycerine (all the same thing!). I'll attempt some ASCII art:

||/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\-COOH
||
||/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\-COOH
||
||/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\-COOH

The different fatty acids have different chain lengths - the zig-zag bits going off to the right. In the presence of KOH or NaOH, the three chains break off and each join onto a K+ or a Na+, forming a salt, which is a metal ion linked to the acid chain with the last hydrogen knocked off. This leaves us with:

/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\-COOK

and

/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\-COONa

and, as well as three of the above, the

||
||
||
||
||

and that part is the glycerine. All soap contains glycerine when it is made. What we call 'glycerine soap' is exactly that, and it has a low melting point and is thus referred to as 'melt and pour' soap because you can do just that. But real soap manufacturers are crafty, they remove the glycerine from their soaps and sell it for some other purpose, and then mill and dry the remaining soap to make a hard and long lasting soap. Fools like me who think they can make a good shaving soap at home just leave the glycerine in situ, which really means I haven't the faintest idea how to remove it and what would I do with it if I did? Actually, I know exactly what I'd do with it - use it instead of oil on hard Arkansas stones!

So how do we do this? The lowest form of soap making is the melt and pour method mentioned above. You buy someone else's glycerine soap, melt it, colour it, scent it and pour it into molds and pretend you made soap. We won't go there. We are going to do some chemistry! We will mix alkali and fat and react them together. This can be done at room temperature, in which case it will take a month for the reaction to complete (cold process soap) and if you don't wait you will get alkali burns on your face. Or we can raise the temperature, speed the reaction, and get it all done in a few hours. The soap can be used as soon as it's set. First question then, is how much of what ingredients? There are two alkalis in use, sodium hydroxide (NaOH) which tends to make hard soaps, and potassium hydroxide (KOH) which makes them softer. But it's not just hardness at play, it's bubbliness or latherability, creaminess for cushion, and so on. You may have tried lathering ordinary hand soap with a brush and discovered that most won't work. There's a complicated set of trade-offs between one attribute and another. Then you have to know how much alkali for how much fat. We know those ratios, and they are different for each alkali with each fat. The idea is to use up all the alkali in the reaction, because you don't enjoy alkali burns. You can even put in a bit extra fat, leaving a percentage unsaponified, which we call 'superfat'. There's a very useful online calculator that will do all the hard work for you here. You enter the kind of alkali, the amount of soap you want to make, the percent superfat and pick the fats to use. It tells you how much lye, how much water, how much fat, and gives some hints about the qualities of the soap you are designing. If you want a mix of NaOH and KOH all in one batch, you use the calculator twice and add up all the ingredients. My recipe looks like this - it is half and half sodium and potassium hydroxide, and uses a mixture of lard and stearic acid to simulate tallow, along with some coconut oil, castor oil and lanolin for their special qualities (the lanolin, for example, will not saponify so it becomes my superfat):

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Yes, they have modernised the soap calculator a bit since I saved those! So I take all of the ingredients in those two recipes, add them together and I have the amounts I need. For the hot process, you need either a slow cooker, or a double boiler. I make one by placing a saucepan inside my big jam-making pan. The water between means I don't overheat anything as it can't go over 100ºC. The fats are weighed out and placed in the inside pan to melt. The lye is weighed out, and the water is measured. Outdoors, wearing rubber gloves and eye protection, I add the alkali to the water (NOT THE OTHER WAY ROUND! And if you don't know why, it would be better for you to buy soap and not make it.) It will get very hot as it dissolves. Then the alkali solution is added to the melted fats, and a stick blender used to mix them so they react, which happens quite quickly for this recipe. At this point it will look like this:

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Now you keep the water simmering in the double boiler, refilling as needed, with a lid on the inner pan to keep the heat in. Periodically use a strip of indicator paper to check the pH of the soap. It will start out strongly alkaline, around pH 12, and you keep cooking until it gets to pH7 -8. This takes 3-4 hours. When you get there, turn off the heat and start measuring the temperature as it cools. We are going to try to scent it. I say try as I'm not very good at this part! Scent oils are cheap and generally strong and a bit nasty. Essential oils are very expensive but less nasty. I'm cheap. All of them are thin and volatile, which is why, and how, they smell - they vaporise. If you add scent oil when the soap is hot, it will flash off as they say, and most bottles will have a flash temperature marked on them. You need the soap to cool below that temperature before you add the oil, or it will just evaporate. BUT, as the soap cools it begins to get hard, and it gets difficult to mix in the oil properly. Let me know if you discover the secret; as I said, I'm not very good at this part. Anyway, I use a gardenia scent as my wife loves it and also because I don't know of any commercial shaving soap scented that way. Gotta be different. When the scent is added and mixed, you pack the rapidly solidifying soap into a mold. This one is wooden and lined with parchment paper:

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I leave it overnight to set up properly. The soap I make is not hard like a milled soap, but comes out soft and malleable so it can be pressed into a mug or scuttle. In the morning, you get to cut it into slices:

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I stick them in a ziplock bag in a cool place for storage (although lately of each batch I make I get to keep only two bars, and the rest I send to Tim Zowada who likes it and gives it to his friends).

When you calculate the cost of ingredients, each of the slices in the picture costs about $2CDN, so about half the price of a bar of bath soap from a supermarket, and a small fraction of the price of a "proper" shaving soap from Trumper or Truefitt & Hill. I like the product, it makes a thick and creamy kind of lather that suits me well, and more than satisfies my desire to mimic P.160. The shelves of some of my brushes, many of the colognes, and some of the shaving soaps (later numbering over 100 brands) became known as The Shelves of Shame when I discovered I no longer used any of those soaps (never mind the creams stored elsewhere) as they didn't work as well as a decent home made soap!



I also experimented with making other kinds of soap, like this block of olive oil bath soap:



It's not hard to do, and the results are well worth the small amount of effort. I buy my supplies from canwax.com, and I'm sure there are many other suppliers capable of selling you the basic ingredients. Some people turn up their noses when I mention lard as an ingredient. Lard is rendered pig fat. Tallow is rendered beef fat. Tallow is rightly prized as an ingredient in a good shaving soap. Whichever you can find and use, it is all renewable, and if you're eating the bacon or the steak anyway, why not find a use for the rest of the carcass? The pandering of the soap industry to the vegetarians and vegans has simply resulted in Indonesian rain forests being clear cut to make way for palm oil plantations with the result that the orang utan is being driven to extinction and you can't buy a decent functional shaving soap anymore. Make your own; better shaves and the orang utans will thank you!
I only use my soap. It makes a thick creamy texture when worked with the brush. It’s just a basic hard beef tallow soap. Sometimes I’ll put some scent like cedar or whiskey in it. Beats all the soaps I’ve tried hands down.
 

Chris_V

New member
Just getting into this. My wife and I make cold process body soap but lather isn't as big of a deal as it is with shave soap. Looking at a popular brand, "Taylor of Old Bond Street", I see an almost pure Palm Oil soap with some Palm Kernel also. The Potassium and Sodium Palmate show it's a 50/50 mix of the KOH and NaOH. Glycerin is a natural biproduct of making soap so the "Glycerin" in the ingredients may just be left in rather than added to the soap.



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drmoss_ca

Is there a Doctor in the house ?
D.R. Harris soaps have tallow in again these days, but Trumper's and Taylor's no longer have it. Tabac is reformulated without tallow. And the shame of it is not just that the soaps don't make such creamy thick lather, it means we are burning down rainforests in Borneo to grow palm plantations.

I don't see why the recipe above wouldn't work for cold-process, I'm not patient enough to wait to use the stuff so that's why I hot-process it!
 

Chris_V

New member
Went the stearic acid route. Damn that stuff saponifies instantly. CP soap sample already useable after only one hour!
 

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Chris_V

New member
Yes, but don't you still have to leave it for a while for the pH to drop?
I guess it depends on the oils, waxes, and temperature in use. Regular cold process (CP) soap can take a day to naturalize and months to cure (water evaporation). I had to heat the Stearic Acid to 160F to get it to melt clear so in a way it was Hot! The saponification so instantaneous that it neutralized right in front of my eyes and I wasn't too worried about the cure time cause I can use it soft.

I'm of the opinion that this recipe needs to be "cooked" just for the fact that if it cools down too fast we can't get it homogenized. I'll cook it next time in a double boiler. I did watch a lady saponify a larger batch on YouTube using CP techniques, but I think her batch was large enough that it didn't cool down too fast.

Been shaving with the soap I made and I'm pretty satisfied. With a little experience I think I could be making some really high quality soaps and creams.
 

Leatherstockings

Well-known member
Dr. Moss, what is the shelf life of your soap when kept at room temperature?

I'm curious about the need for preservatives in making soap. I keep all of my shaving supplies at room temperature without them going bad, but these are mass produced soaps which I assume have some sort of preservative in them.
 

drmoss_ca

Is there a Doctor in the house ?
I keep the soap in the basement, prob. around 18ºC. It slowly goes brown rather than fawn, gets harder, but works just as well. I've had a few slices as long as four years and found them quite usable at the end. No preservatives! The fact is, I make too much soap just for the fun of making it and experimenting with the recipe. If I only made a batch and then used it before making the next, it need not be kept too long. But half a kilo of soap doesn't get used overnight!
 

PLANofMAN

Quirky Razor Collector
This is an extremely simple recipe from 1869, containing lard, sodium hydroxide, potassium hydroxide, alcohol, and almond oil. It is the earliest known recipe I've found for a shaving cream, and it is likely similar to Italian soft soaps.


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"Harper's Universal Recipe Book, published in 1869.

Shaving Cream, No. 4. — Almond Cream, — The preparation sold under this title is a potash soft soap of lard. It has a beautiful pearly appearance, and has met with extensive demand as a shaving compound. It is made thus : Clarified lard 7 lbs., potash of lye (containing 26 per cent, of caustic potash) 3 3/4 lbs., rectified spirit 3 oz., otto of almonds 2 drams. Melt the lard in a porcelain vessel by a soft water bath, that is, place the porcelain vessel in boiling salt water, then run in the lye very slowly, stirring the whole time. When about half the lye has been stirred in, it begins to curdle. It will soon become so firm that it cannot be stirred. The cream is then finished, but is not pearly. It will, however, assume that appearance by long trituration in a mortar, gradually adding the alcohol, in which has been dissolved the perfume."

If you do decide to make the recipe yourself, make sure you allow it to "rot" for 4-8 weeks after processing it (I assume you'll use some form of hot-processing?)

Rotting it is liquid/cream equivalent of "curing" hard soap bars.

With this recipe, the end result most likely will look like a glob of Vaseline. You'll want to place it in a sealed container after processing. Stirring the batch, and adding water as necessary, every 3-4 days. Eventually you'll notice it start to "relax" or kinda melt into a cream, and turn into a white or milky color, instead of the transparent Vaseline look. <-this is the rotting phase and you'll need patience :).

If anyone decides to make it, send me some so I can try it out.
 
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